Curse

Nerraw · May 16, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Well yesterday we made a long trip to go do the Villiany Galth quest or how ever it's spelled, after zoning 3 times to get where the target is we found a dead end zone and a very tough battle which we were not able to complete due to our stats all being -60 from such a tough amount of battles through the cursed lands etc.

Anyway the rest of my party decided to leave after many attempts to get past all the Necro's and Mezers at the end and I decided to continue on back tracking and made it through to the Majesty's Rest zone which I found an amazing castle tower and a level 30 dragon sitting up out on the top stairs, tons of his minons spawned from the ground as I approached the stairs and was overwhelmed by the amount of mobs.

I was just wondering has anyone ever beat this dragon yet, or the bone dragon even in the cursed lands?

BTW it was worth the trip getting there, I found a chest besides the four at the top with the dragon just down off to the side in the forest area and was able to open it finding a wicked purple axe and couple of other items.

Gauwyn Vorec · May 16, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52

This is very much on-topic by the way...

... but I don't believe I've run into this guy yet. I did surprise myself with defeating a level 28 (I'm a 16) with half my henchmen team. So, if I could get to the level 30 Dragon with most of my team in tact, I think it could be possible.

One thing that bothers me is this horseman was a level 28... however, I've run into a few level 10's or even 8's by myself (against say 2) and gotten completely destroyed. Where as vice versa, me and two others destroy one completely large target. Seems to me that some of these creatures need to be balanced out a bit.

Dreamsmith · May 16, 2005, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Gauwyn Vorec

One thing that bothers me is this horseman was a level 28... however, I've run into a few level 10's or even 8's by myself (against say 2) and gotten completely destroyed. Where as vice versa, me and two others destroy one completely large target. Seems to me that some of these creatures need to be balanced out a bit.

No, that sounds about right. Why would you think that's a balance problem?

You and two other people, assuming you're all level 10, should be more powerful together than a single level 28 monster. Conversely, two level 10 monsters should easily take you on your own (together, they'd be more powerful than a single level 20 creature -- more than double the hit points, can use two attacks or two skills in the time the level 20 creature can only use one, etc.)

d4nowar · May 17, 2005, 01:07 AM // 01:07

rotscale! i beat that dragon in the april bwe. its not that hard if you play things right, but maybe they changed the difficulty. so i don't know. he had 4 level 20 something bone dragons as minions and a statue of balthazaar behind him. i found it and i was truely amazed. then i killed it and laughed.

i think i beat it with a team of 8 from temple of the ages, so that might be why it was so simple. oh well, good luck! it is possible!

Gauwyn Vorec · May 17, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

No, that sounds about right. Why would you think that's a balance problem?

You and two other people, assuming you're all level 10, should be more powerful together than a single level 28 monster. Conversely, two level 10 monsters should easily take you on your own (together, they'd be more powerful than a single level 20 creature -- more than double the hit points, can use two attacks or two skills in the time the level 20 creature can only use one, etc.)

It was me, a Fighter Henchman, and a Mage... with the damage he does or should do... I and the Fighter as tanks should not have held up. That's just my opinion.

I just think certain creatures, say level 15, are more powerful then another level 15 creature. This shouldn't happen.

d4nowar · May 17, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32

if two creatures are completely different, of course they will seem to be more powerful than each other.

it adds variety to the game, instead of all fighting the same exact thing. kill one kill em all.

why would a level 15 fighter class creature do the same damage and have the same health as a level 15 healer class creature? certain creatures should obviously do more or less damage, to suit their "professions"

Shamblemonkee · May 17, 2005, 09:17 AM // 09:17

The lvl 28 you're talking about wasn't Veretas was it? He's vastly over conned. I've fought tougher lvl20's than him.

Dreamsmith · May 17, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Gauwyn Vorec

I just think certain creatures, say level 15, are more powerful then another level 15 creature. This shouldn't happen.

Are you kidding? Absolutely it should! What skills you have and how you use them should mean a heck of lot more than what level you are.

In this game, higher level means you have more hit points. It might mean you have some more attribute points, too, but due to the way attribute points scale, that difference becomes less significant the higher levels you're talking about. But it doesn't really mean anything more than that. It's certainly not a generalized measure of how "powerful" something is, when it in fact has no impact on anything beyond what's already been mentioned.

Level really doesn't mean all that much in this game, nor should it. It's not insignificant, but it's not the determining factor in how effective an opponent something is. Higher level just means you have to do a bit more damage to it before it dies (a mere 20 HP per level), and maybe it's skills hit a little bit harder, but that's about it. It is not and should not be the major factor in determining how easy or hard it will be to defeat something. That would run counter to the design of this game. Trying to make it work that way would introduce some extremely serious balance issues into the game.

pHobac · May 17, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

For example, in the south eastern desert, the lvl 22 hydras are easy to take, whereas the lvl 20 storm kin crush we without pity, mercy or compasion. Wheras my roommate says the exact opposite. It depends alot on what class you are. As a necro, with a lot of skills that take several seconds to cast, the storm kin own my life with mesmer skills like clumsiness. But the hyrdas slowly take out minions, one at a time, because they cant hit multiple targets. So sometimes, the difficulty of an enemy depends more on your class than on your level.

And as for Verata, he is pathetic, the only reason he is even there i think is to give summon necs a chance to get animate bone fiend early on in the game. I killed him at lvl 15 or 16 with no troubles.

Lews · May 18, 2005, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Rotscale is easy.